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How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Last Updated: 28.06.2025 12:37

How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

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I am like a fish out of water,

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

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Why would an older small breed dog become obsessive about hygiene?

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Can a barracuda kill a human?

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

CONCLUSION:

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

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ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

What are the reasons why am I so tired before my period?

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

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I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Having read so much about Archie and Lilibet not actually existing, does anyone have any proof that they not only exist but that Meghan gave birth to them?

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

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Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

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ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

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The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

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Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

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If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Now here in this verse

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

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If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Sain (a barber)

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

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ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

then who is there to know what happens without?

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

NOW…

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Kabir (a weaver)

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.